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November 27th, 2015 07:00

Upgrade XPS 8900 1TB HDD to Samsung SSD - Is this a sound plan?

I'll be unboxing my new XPS 8900 this weekend containing a 1TB HDD and Windows 10.  My ultimate plan is to add/replace this with a Samsung 850 SSD (likely a 1TB) and have a clean install of Windows 10.  Based on this goal and what I've gathered online, my plan would be as follows:

  1. Boot up 8900 and activate Windows 10 (so Microsoft's servers recognize this license on my PC
  2. Create bootable Windows 10 media (likely USB) from MS direct downloads
  3. Download and install various specific drivers from Dell website for 8900
  4. Install SSD
  5. Perform clean Windows 10 install to SSD using bootable USB; install any necessary drivers gathered in step 3.
  6. Re-activate windows 10 license with MS as needed (is this automatic since registered in step 1?)
  7. Either remove original HDD or reformat to use as secondary drive

Questions:

  1. Any flaws with this plan?
  2. Any reason I can't do without the various Dell applications/utilities that wouldn't come over in this process?
  3. Any reason why I can't obtain all the necessary drivers via a combination of Windows (automatically) and manual downloads from Dell's site?
  4. Any reason to retain the recovery partition on the original HDD?
  5. Any reason to alternatively use Samsung's cloning feature instead of taking my steps above?

Any thoughts would be most welcomed.

Thanks!

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November 28th, 2015 04:00

Hi Ronin777,

Your plan sounds good to me. My personal preference in this situation would be a clean install of the OS, but you also have the option to create a set of recovery discs or USB flash drive and restore the Dell factory image to the SSD. That would certainly be faster. Then you'd always have the factory image for later use.

Having the recovery partition on the original drive, to me, is not important since you'll have the recovery discs or flash drive.

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November 28th, 2015 08:00

Thanks Osprey4!

I'm glad to know my plan is doable.  A few more questions for you...

  1. Would you expect Windows 10 to gather the majority of the necessary drivers automatically or should I plan to download everything from Dell for my specific unit?
  2. Assuming I don't want to save the recovery partition on the original drive, what's the best way to create the recovery DVDs (or maybe better yet USB drive -- what capacity is required?)?

Thanks! 

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November 28th, 2015 20:00

I am doing the same thing on a new XPS 8900. I bought a SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB SSD. I plan to put OS & programs on SSD and use existing 1TB HDD for data. 

1. Do I put the SSD vertically next to existing HDD in "HDD0" or horizontally above HDD0 in HDD2?. Does it matter which one I use?

2. There are two open SATA slots next to the one being used. Does it matter which one I use?

3. I plan to use a free disk cloning program, maybe AOMEI. On the new HDD is about 47GB of OS that will be cloned to the SSD. After doing this, can I leave that 47GB as a backup on the HDD as a partition and use the remaining 953GB as another partition for data? The other option is clone the current 47GB OS to an external HD as backup.

4. How do I direct programs on SSD to "see" docs, pics, etc. on HDD? Thanks.

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November 29th, 2015 04:00

I'm not entirely sure exactly what drivers you need to download versus those provided with the OS. Just go to downloads and grab all of the Win 10 drivers available.

You should create the recovery media when you first boot and set up the system. You'll be prompted to do this.

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November 29th, 2015 14:00

I didn't recall seeing this option at start-up but may have overlooked it.  At this point, would using the Windows Recovery USB setup tool work or does it need to be done using a Dell tool in order to replicate the full Dell recovery partition?

Thanks.


Steve

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December 3rd, 2015 15:00

Since this is a new Win 10 machine, you're plowing new ground for me. I believe the Windows Recovery USB Setup tools creates an emergency recovery disc that can perform certain functions should some error render the machine unbootable. But it does not as far as I know create an image of the entire hard drive. That's what the Dell Backup and Recovery (DBAR) utility can do. In the OS installation link below, Philip provides a description of how to use DBAR.

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December 4th, 2015 08:00

OK Thanks for your help!

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December 4th, 2015 11:00

There is no Dell Backup & Recovery (DBAR) available for Windows 10.

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December 4th, 2015 14:00

That's interesting to learn. So, maybe I go back to my original plan on forgetting about the Dell recovery partition and if I ever want to re-build my PC, I would wipe the drive, reinstall Windows 10, and then layer on the drivers and any Dell utilities I find value in and call it good.  Unless anyone thinks I'm missing out on something key, I think I'll go wit this plan.

Thanks!

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December 4th, 2015 16:00

That sounds like the right plan to me.

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December 4th, 2015 17:00

Well, there is something else. While there is no indication on my XPS 8900 in the usual places--like on the start menu--of a recovery system, check out "Disk Management."  It shows a 853MB Recovery Partition and a 12.54GB Recovery Partition. There are four partitions all-together.

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December 5th, 2015 06:00

Good find oon the multiple recvoery partitions.  Osprey - Do you know what they are for?

I also picked up my Dell Quick Start Guide and it references using the Windows 10 recovery -- no mention of any Dell specific resource.

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December 11th, 2015 18:00

According to the following article you can make a complete image backup of your new computer by using Windows 10's own utility: http://www.howtogeek.com/220986/how-to-use-all-of-windows-10%E2%80%99s-backup-and-recovery-tools/

Look under system image backup.  This will transfer everything from your present HD to your new HD including Dell's drivers and all programs.  When I get my XPS 8900 the first thing I am going to do is make an image backup using the Window 10 utility.  I will be able to restore my computer to it's original state very easily.  Then I am going to install Acronis and make a backup using Acronis.  This image can be transferred to new HD's as necessary and eliminates having to fool with Dell's recovery partition.  In case Acronis does not work, I will still have the Windows 10 image backup.  I did use Dell's recovery partition once, so it is of some value, but in order to restore your computer to the same state it was in when you purchased it, I think the original HD that came with your computer has to be used.  Macrium Reflect has a free system image backup utility you can use.  This is an easier approach than reinstalling the operating system and then having to reinstall everything else from scratch. 

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December 14th, 2015 18:00

The Samsung SSDs come with Migration software. Run it and it will make the SSD look like your current C: drive. Then just do the change out.

I've done this four times, most recently today on an XPS-8900 and it worked fine.

My problem is that I then decided to make the old C: drive a secondary drive. Shows up in BIOS and in Device Manager, but no drive letter is assigned so it is inaccessible. Not a big deal, but a puzzle!

If you get to this point and find a solution, let me know :-)


Later: I decided to keep the original C: HDD as is and use a 1 TB hard drive from an old computer. Handy in case I ever want to switch back the the original HDD.


Phil

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January 5th, 2016 06:00

I finally have my SSD now and am faced with the same questions BIC2 posed above.  I purchased a Sabrent 3.5" to 2.5" bracket/converter, however unlike other PC cases I'm use to in having easy, slide-out rails for adding other HDDs, the Dell case appears to be a bit trickier as I can't access all sides of the drive bays in terms of using screws on both sides.

Can I get away with using screws on one side, is there something I'm missing in terms of this process?  I have heard of people using tape, etc. to "secure" their SSDs in their cases, given tey are so light, however this approach seemed a bit crude, but perhaps still viable.

Any thoughts would be welcomed!

Thanks!

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