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February 3rd, 2022 16:00

Dell 3420 SFF GPU Options

Hello,

My office switched to laptops, and I was able to keep one of the old desktops. I am using this as an excuse to try PC gaming for the first time ever! With that, I found the website User Benchmark, entered my specifics, and it seems the GPU is the biggest thing holding me back on the gaming front. I am wondering what are my best options for a new GPU? The only recommendation I have found so far in my google searching is someone who put in a Nvidia GTX 1050-TI, but wondering if anyone has other suggestions. Thank you in advance, and below are the specifics of my computer:

Tower: Dell Precision Tower 3420 SFF

CPU: Intel i7-7700 @ 3.60 GHz, 4 core - 8 thread

GPU: Nvidia Quadro K1200 (plus the base Intel HD6 630)

SSD: 512 GB

RAM: 32 GB - 4x8GB - DDR4 @ 2400 MHz

 

Attached are pictures of inside the case, as well as a screenshot of the user benchmark (brands of some components are guesses). Thank you for all of your help!

InternalsInternalsUser BenchmarkUser Benchmark

 

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February 4th, 2022 17:00

You either have a 180w or 240w PSU.  A 120w GTX 1660 is definitely out.  Any GPU cards also have to be LP (low profile).  Some options below.

From the Precision 3420 Spec Sheet: 

One PCI Express® x16 Gen 3 Graphics card up to 50W Entry 3D cards:

  • AMD FirePro W4100
  • AMD FirePro W2100
  • NVIDIA Quadro K1200
  • NVIDIA Quadro K620
  • NVIDIA Quadro K420

Professional 2D cards:

  • NVIDIA NVS 510
  • NVIDIA NVS 315 & Dual 315
  • NVIDIA NVS 310
  • Intel HD Graphics 530/P530 (w/ 6th Gen Intel CPU)
  • Intel HD Graphics 630/P630 (w/7th Gen Intel CPU)

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February 10th, 2022 09:00


@gray0239 wrote:

 

My office switched to laptops, and I was able to keep one of the old desktops. I am using this as an excuse to try PC gaming for the first time ever!

CPU: Intel i7-7700 @ 3.60 GHz, 4 core - 8 thread

GPU: Nvidia Quadro K1200 (plus the base Intel HD6 630)

SSD: 512 GB

RAM: 32 GB - 4x8GB - DDR4 @ 2400 MHz

 


It would make a nice computer for general use and even some casual point-and-click games (like from Windows Store) ... like tablet-games or iPad-like games. It would also make a nice HTPC (like for Plex or Kodi).

However, IT IS NOT a good candidate to try to turn-into a "gaming PC". Some of the larger Optiplex machines are (barely, and after considerable upgrades), but this little one is NOT.

This is mostly because of the limited Power-Supply, and limited space and slots for the video card. Also, case cooling. A "gaming class" video-card won't even fit inside it.

The Alienware Aurora is designed the way it is for a reason. Minimum would be a XPS-8940/8950 . Decent video-cards are very expensive right now.

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February 4th, 2022 08:00

If I'm watching the right motherboard, I think you can install only gpus that use a single slot, and probably low height .

I think there should be some gtx 1650 and 1660, the usual quadro ( p series up to p4000, by example. rtx 3000 and 4000 likely), and the amd equivalent

7 Technologist

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February 4th, 2022 17:00

Also, check your PSU label to see which one you have.  I couldn't tell from the photo.

I was checking the wattage of some of the listed GPU's.  If the PSU is 180w, I wouldn't chance 45w-50w 3D GPU.  Watts, or tdp, of GPU's can be Googled.

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February 4th, 2022 17:00

Thank you for all the help and feedback so far! These are all things I had no idea about. I took a closer picture of the two labels I could find. Given the model number and output warning I am guessing it is 180W.

 

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7 Technologist

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February 4th, 2022 18:00

Thanks for the photos.  It is 180w.

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February 5th, 2022 02:00

Side note : if you don't plan to play at fullscreen 4k , but at full hd or windowed, and also don't plan to put all on ultra, the p600/gtx 1030 still do an acceptable job ( I've a p600 and I've no issues gaming )

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February 5th, 2022 02:00

Given the psu, and the fact that the quadro k1200

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-k1200.c2641

is rated for 45W , it's safe to assume that any card up to 45W is fine without changing the psu.

The quadro P600 / P620 is 40W , by example

The quadro P1000 is 47W , so probably would still be safe

The nvidia gtx 1030 is 30w ( there may be different variants of the 1030 )

Again, there are ati equivalent cards. For any like a 1050 etc , you need to change the psu to something > 300W

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February 5th, 2022 07:00

Thank you for the great replies! So leaving everything else as-is, on a 180w power supply I'd need a low profile, one pci connector, 45w or less GPU.

 

If I replace the power supply with a refurbished oem 315w unit (VX372), the GPU still needs to be low profile and single pci slot, but what power consumption could I safely go up to? Or there other, higher watt slim power supplies people use?

 

I think I'm going to go with this bigger psu direction. It's been shown a 1050-ti will work in this case and with a 315w psu, but hoping to determineif there are any slightly better gpu choices like a 1060 6gb or something.

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February 5th, 2022 09:00

https://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Dell-Precision-Tower-3420/20842 

The userbenchmark link above might also give you ideas.  Not sure why the link mentions "tower" when the 3420 is SFF only.

With a 315w PSU, you can go up to 75w for a GPU, may be 100w seen as a 275w PSU can still power a 75w card.

If you were to use a 315w PSU from the Optiplex XE2 SFF, both the PSU and your MB do have the 8-pin connection.  I can't guarantee the fit inside the case.  Screw holes will likely not line up.  I don't know if any Precision SFF's have 315w PSU.

A few go might go with a full size PSU, but then it has to sit outside the case.  The same with GPU's that are too large.  They can sit outside the case with an extender cable.

Towers are the best bet for upgrading.  Much easier to upgrade PSU's and GPU's.  And some Precision's already have powerful PSU's.

You're also welcome for the replies!!  : )

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February 5th, 2022 09:00

I also like mazzinia's 30w GT 1030 suggestion.  Another route is get the 240w PSU and go with one of the listed 3D cards.

240W Power Supply PSU for Dell Precision T3420 SFF MT D240E012L H62JR 4GTN5 Part Numbers: 4GTN5 DHVJN 0TRD3 H62JR 0M1C3. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08L8GT4JT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apan_glt_i_KHCJ0PD3KZWK5CS3MHGA

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February 6th, 2022 17:00

Quadro K1200 is a rebranded, and downclocked version of GeForce GTX 750.

It is a very old and generally inferior board.

"50" in GTX series indicates starter's capabilities for gaming ("30" is enough for CAD work, "70" is for full set of base platform features)

Only comparatively large amount of RAM may help you hold textures in the memory, but you should reduce all the settings to minimum, or avoid starting games released after 2017.

Yes, you should look for some used 10x series geforce. 780ti is still a minimum for most games. But the reason for recommending 10x is that these series had a leap in energy efficiency comparing to top 7x/9x series.

9 Legend

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February 6th, 2022 18:00

If you upgrade the PSU to 240w as suggested by Brad, you may be able to install up to 100w gaming card.  Most popular choice is low profile GTX 1650.  Here is a video for 3420 upgrade in which a wide graphics card was used.

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February 6th, 2022 19:00

GTX 1650 is 75w.  Running a 75w PSU on a 240w PSU is outside of Dell specs, I can't recommend it, though some YouTubers have seemed to pull it off.

As for a 100w+ GPU, it will absolutely trip a 240w PSU.  Not as many, but those videos have been on YouTube also.

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February 6th, 2022 20:00

Dell factory installed a 65w Radeon R5 340x into an Optiplex 5040 sff with 180w PSU.  So having 75w graphics card on a 240w PSU is very generous already.

radeon r5 340x.jpgoptiplex 5040.jpg

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