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November 30th, 2024 17:45

CPU header Voltage on Dell Micro

I have a;

7070 Micro 9700t,

7070 Micro 10500t and

7010 Micro 13500t.

I am wondering if I can change the 5V cpu fans to 12V units for better cooling.

Do the Dell Micro boards support 5V only or are they able to support 12V fans also?

Has anyone tested the pins? Or how do I test them?

Regards.

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December 2nd, 2024 19:48

OP I think your best option using Dell oem cooler is to find a highest CFM 5V heatsink for your 7070 MFF and Micro 7010.  like I said, it is not necessarily the 12V vs 5V that is key to better cooling although we do see 12V cooler for 65w cpu and 5V cooler for 35w cpu.  Among the 5V cooler there are some with a bit higher CFM than 10 such as 12.69 CFM which you already observed, and that approaches 14.2 CFM of the 12V fan.

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November 30th, 2024 22:19

I am not certain higher voltage fan such as 12V fan would necessarily provide better cooling than 5V fan in Dell micro. It is the cubic feet of air (CFM) it can move that matter. The cooler in micro is blower type.  One example of Foxconn PVB070E05N fan in micro spec is 5V 1.10A 11 CFM.    Another example of Delta fan ksb0705hb-a in ##40 Micro has about the same spec.

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November 30th, 2024 22:28

This other 80mm FoxConn fan PVB080G12H (12V, 0.6A) spec is 18 CFM.  This is a blower type fan used in Dell Optiplex 9020 SFF which has a 12V fan header.  Trouble is you can’t connect a 12V SFF fan to Dell micro motherboard that has a 5V fan header.

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December 1st, 2024 08:33

Hi redxps630, thanks for the replies.

When I comes to your comment that the higher voltage 12V fan would not provide better cooling than a 5V version, I beg to differ. (Sorry, not trying to win an argument here, just trying to crawl out of the rabbit hole I have found myself diving into)



When looking at my Dell Micro 7080, the fan code is Model: KSB0705HB-A, DPN: JV47V-A00 (5V, 1A) and produces a CFM of 9.8CFM.

On my Dell Micro 7010, the fan code is Model: EFH-07C05D-CP01, DPN: WYT09-A00-A00 (5V, 1A) and produces a CFM of 11.5CFM.

I have seen other 5V models, example fan code Model: PVB070E05N-P02, DPN: JV47V-A00 (5V, 1.1A) which produces a CFM of 12.69CFM. (Note that this one takes 1.1A but produces 30% more CFM than the one in my Micro 7080 and 10% more CFM than the one in my Micro 7010) There are a few more like this and there are too many to mention.

(This itself shows a variance in the 5V versions.)


When looking at a Dell Micro 7080 12V versions, an example Model: PVB070E12H-P01, DPN: 0C5T4N (12V, 0.95A) which produces a CFM of 14.20CFM. (Note that this one takes 12V and less amps at 0.95A and produces 45% more CFM than the original 9.8CFM version) There are also versions that take 1.1A and produce even more CFM.


At the end of the day, i'm wondering if I can slap a 12V version on my dell micro and maximise my cooling. This may not be important to people but i'm just curious and have already gone so far down the rabbit hole, I might as well try to get an answer.


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December 2nd, 2024 05:11

Yes I find a few 12V Foxconn blower type fan having significantly higher CFM in spec (many 12V fans omit to mention CFM on sticker).  here is a longer answer from a senior EE engineer 

“the rated voltage of a fan motor does not in and of itself determine how much air is moved. The amount of current drawn and the design of the impellers has a large effect as well. So two fans both 1W and equipped with identical impellers turning at the same RPM but one 5V and one 12V, will be for all purposes equal in performance. Changing the motor to run faster or the impeller design to push harder will change the relative power. The amount of current drawn and hence the power (VxA) will depend upon the impellers and the air flow resistance presented.

P.S. Given same size and type of fan, the critical items are now the CFM, the impeller design and the RPM and power of the motor.

Assuming that we have designed the fans with the same RPM motor and same impeller design, then the fans should move identical amounts of air and cool identically. The power consumed to move the same amount of air should be close to the same, so the 5V fan will draw about 12/5 times as much current as the 12V fan netting the same power consumption.”

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December 2nd, 2024 15:40

I understand what you are saying.


But, at the end of the day, I still don’t have my answer.

1. Can I change the 5V cpu fans to 12V units with higher CFM.

2. Do the Dell Micro boards support 5V only or are they able to support 12V fans also?

3. Will I spoil the board or fan if I just hook up a 12v fan.🪭 

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December 2nd, 2024 15:57

I appreciate user interesting question and feedback. Thank you for sharing the info on 12V blower fan PVB070E12H-P01  in some Optiplex Micro such as https://www.ebay.com/itm/335353507711

12V 0.95A 14.20 CFM

ASSY,FAN,BLWR,D10,MFF,65W,HF.
OP 7080M:
ASSY,FAN,BLWR,D10,MFF,35W,HF.

Dell design 5V fan in Optiplex 7070 and older model and 12V in newer 7080.
example of 7070M cpu cooler
ASSY,HTSNK,BLWR,D9,35W,HF.
PVB070E05N-P02 5V 1.10A 11 CFM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305427012678?
a clue here is that 12V cooler is 65w while 5V cooler is 35W.  So I think it depends on the cpu spec used in Micro.
We know that 7080/7090 (D10) is a paradigm shift from 7070 (D9) and older (7060/7050/7040) because of socket LGA1200 and psu change. Then why would they revert to 5V cpu fan in newer 7000/7010/7020 (socket LGA1700) remains to be investigated.
 I would think it is risky to connect a wrong fan to motherboard. In worst case scenario an incorrect fan could draw too much current from fan header (similar to a short circuit) and burn it off.
But the ingenious and interesting question of OP remains standing.

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December 2nd, 2024 16:22

I think I find some answer here

7070 M cpu is 35W

https://www.europc.co.uk/pub/media/specs/dell-optiplex-7070-specsheet.pdf

7080 M cpu is either 35 or 65W

https://www.hardware-corner.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/dell-optiplex-7080-datasheet.pdf

hence Dell designed 12V 65w more powerful higher CFM cooler in 7080.  There is still 35w cooler offered in 7080 (D10) too for 35w cpu.

ASSY,FAN,BLWR,D10,MFF,35W,HF.

Here comes interesting 

7010M cpu is all 35w.  Reason why Dell reverted to 35W cooler

WYT09 ASSY,FAN,BLWR,MFF,35W,HF

https://www.delltechnologies.com/asset/en-us/products/desktops-and-all-in-ones/technical-support/optiplex-micro-spec-sheet.pdf


but, but if you have the higher end Micro Plus 7010, cpu is mixed 35 or 65W you can bet Dell uses 12V cpu cooler (e.g., Dell X7Y1H) for 65w cpu in that model. Unfortunately like I said before different motherboard is designed differently. It is risky to use 7080M 12V cooler in 7070M, and like so risky to use 7010 Micro plus 12V cooler in 7010M.

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December 2nd, 2024 16:45

“Final” thought as I come out of the rabbit hole following the white rabbit aka OP just kidding, there is hope. If 7080 35w and 65w cpu motherboard are identical then it is ?possible to exchange 35w cooler for 65w cooler or 5V for 12V?  Both coolers offered in 7080.

Still not sure of using 7010 Micro plus 65w cooler in 7010M since it is a totally different motherboard 

This is a high risk but possibly? good return adventure I would not recommend but some brave user might experiment 

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December 2nd, 2024 16:57

Alas on further investigation 7080M motherboard is different for 35w vs 65w cpu therefore at the end of day unfortunately you cannot use 65w cooler (12V) for a 65w version motherboard on a 35w version motherboard even though both are 7080M

makes sense. I have not heard of a fan header that can be versatile to work w both 5V and 12V fan. 

CRD,PLN,MFF,TPM,7080,65W,WST.
CRD,PLN,MFF,TPM,7080,35W,BCC.

CRD, PLN, MFF, TPM, 7080, 35W, BCC

OptiPlex 7080 Micro 35W, BCC
9JNHG

Cooling Heatsink, BLWR, D10, MFF, 35W, HF

OptiPlex 7090 Micro 35W
W77JN
Cooling Heatsink, BLWR, D10, MFF, 65W, HF

OptiPlex 7080 Micro 65W
8V5K1


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December 2nd, 2024 21:02

I realized today there are 65W cpu in 7070M too.  I wonder if there are different 65W motherboard version in 7070M too.  and turns out Del has been doing this thing for a long time (two versions of mobo: 35w vs 65w)

here Dell also designed different voltage fan for the two motherboards which are not interchangeable.

7070M

496JX CRD,PLN,MFF,7070,65W,FCN,D9.5.
CRD,PLN,MFF,TPM,7070,35,B,D9.5.
CRD,PLN,MFF,TPM,7070,35W,D9.5.

two kinds of heatsink

Heatsink, Blower, D9, 35W, Halogen Free

Chassis, MICRO, 5060
27H4V
Heatsink, Blower, D9, 65W, Halogen Free

OptiPlex 7070 Microwith 130Wupto 87% efficientadapter
35KV1
 
27H4V (5V 11CFM)
35KV1 (12V, 13.95CFM)

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