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August 5th, 2021 10:00

Inspiron 24 3455 Stuck On Dell Logo even after clean Win 10 reinstall

Hello all, I rarely post to forums given that I am usually able to resolve problems on my own but this computer has got me stumped.

It was running fine a few days ago with no issues, but we had a power outage and the computer got stuck in an automatic repair boot loop after powering back on. Ran diagnostics and tried to recover windows unsuccessfully. Diagnostics showed no issues. After running diagnostics several times and many reboots indicated a potential issue with the hard drive.

So I figured easy fix, got a brand new Crucial SSD made my win 10 usb install drive and installed windows 10. After the initial install where it copies files, it rebooted and that is when my problems started.

I cannot get the computer to go past the Dell logo after the initial install. I have updated the bios using a freedos usb to 4.3.0, I reset bios settings, removed CMOS for hours and let it sit without power, replaced the CMOS battery, tried swapping the memory to the other slot, tried reinstalling the old hard drive, and nothing will allow me to get past the initial install. I first tried an OEM ISO that has all the updates preinstalled etc, but then tried the Dell os recovery app to get a "clean" win 10 ISO.

Again nothing has made a difference. I let the full diagnostics run (with the new ssd installed) including the extended memory test several times each time with NO errors reported. I am able to restart the install process by booting to the usb install drive and deleting the partitions etc to start again but it never goes past the Dell logo after the reboot, even if I leave it overnight. I have tried turning off secure boot and went through the install process again (delete partitions, create new, reinstall) and the same result.

The computer does take a while to boot to the windows installer which leads me to believe there is some hardware issue that maybe the diagnostic tool is unable to detect? It would seem to me that the only explanation is some other hardware failure such as the motherboard/cpu/ram, however I find it strange that it can load the windows install disk and go through the process copying files to the drive, but as soon as the computer tries to use internal storage to boot it hangs.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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August 6th, 2021 00:00

When you download Windows 10 directly from Microsoft, did you download iso or choose usb option?  “Microsoft's own Media Creation Tool always make an MBR USB flash drive. Microsoft never provides a GPT flash drive.” 

Re: I tried a windows 10 iso from microsoft and the same results.

you should have tried prepare a Win 10 usb directly from Microsoft without iso or Rufus, if not already done.

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Re: except one attempt to install win10 in legacy mode that failed

did you succeed or fail to install Win 10 on ssd using 100% legacy boot list option?

(just be sure to clarify this is different from load legacy option rom in uefi bios)

If your Win 10 usb was created by Rufus based on Microsoft iso as a GPT flash drive, it would not boot in legacy bios mode.

Re: Win 7 install usb was created with rufus on a GPT partition and UEFI

If I want to install windows 7 I can, but only if Boot list option is UEFI.

it explains this usb with GPT partition can not boot in legacy bios mode.

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August 7th, 2021 15:00

Re: Any chance of repairing the bios/uefi to allow it to be installed in uefi mode or should I just leave well enough alone

To most user running day to day Windows 10 operation, there is no perceptible difference between legacy and uefi bios in the background.  Since it is working now in legacy, I would just leave it.

On the other hand if someone really wants to repair an apparently broken uefi mode bios as a software challenge, and that person is willing to take a risk of bricking the bios, reflash the bios using a bootable usb in DOS environment and hope that would work and solve this issue.  

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August 5th, 2021 11:00

I reset bios and then did the clean install. The bios has very limited options as far as the sata configuration goes. It is not set on raid as this is an AIO computer and only has one sata port (aside from the ODD) and afaik there is no raid option. The controller is set on AHCI. 

What really gets me is how could it possibly boot to the windows install usb and copy files to the new internal SSD thus using the cpu/gpu/ram/internal storage controller/usb devices etc but then on reboot to complete install it won’t go past POST? 

After reboot, if I let it boot to the default (it’s the windows boot manager) it hangs on the dell logo. If I press f12 and select windows boot manager on the internal drive it will go black and stay that way forever (I let it sit 12 hours like this just in case).

 

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August 5th, 2021 11:00

It's possible the power outage damaged something that won't show up in the diagnostics...

Did you check BIOS settings? You reset BIOS to the defaults after the initial install but if the defaults are different than what they were when you originally did the install, it could hang:

Was BIOS set to RAID when you installed Windows? Is BIOS still set to RAID now or...

Is Windows Boot Manager first on the boot list with the new drive installed..?

Etc.

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August 5th, 2021 12:00

It's using generic drivers loaded from the USB, not the drivers that Win 10 would load from the internal drive to run your hardware.

What color is the power button and steady or blinking when it won't boot from the internal drive?  If blinking, count the blinks which gives an error code.

Is the USB stick still plugged in when you try to boot from the internal drive?

Are any other USB devices connected, aside from mouse and keyboard?

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August 5th, 2021 12:00

are you able to pass Dell logo smoothly if you load a bootable dvd in the optical drive?

If so, try swapping the sata ports for ssd and odd on motherboard.  connect ssd sata cable to the port used by odd and see what happens.  just a test.


you may also try move the new ssd that has os clean install (via legacy mode bios) to another Dell pc and see if it boots fine.

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August 5th, 2021 12:00

Well I tried two separate ISO’s for install. One OEM iso acquired online with all updates to 07/2021, and then again with the windows 10 home iso downloaded from the dell os recovery app. Both installed with and without secure boot on (I made sure to keep secure boot off during install and reboot w off, then again re-enable secureboot and reinstall deleting partitions each time). Also, both versions were I nstalled and then I attempted to boot with the win usb installed and then again with the win usb removed after reboot.

No other peripherals are attached, only one usb wireless key for the mouse and keyboard, which function in bios/diagnostics/win prelim install.

No blinks of the power button. It is solid white, both during windows install and on reboot while sitting at black screen or dell logo.

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August 5th, 2021 16:00

@igdesignla  If the power button is solid white, it passed the POST so that might argue against a hardware failure.

Is it possible you just accidentally turned the screen off?  Boot the PC and try pressing the Screen-Off button (#16, here). If the 1st press/release doesn't help, try a 2nd press/release, and then a 3rd if needed. (You might need to wait a few sec between presses to allow the PC to respond.)

And if still no screen output, connect an external monitor or TV to the rear HDMI-Out port (#13), reboot PC and cycle through the Screen-Off button press/releases again and see if you get video on the external monitor/TV...

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August 5th, 2021 17:00

I tried that button just now, but it does not affect the computer, and neither do the brightness buttons. I can see the backlight on so I imagine it wouldn’t be that the screen is off. I will try an external now but I doubt that will do anything.

As I said before the computer will sit on the dell logo screen (power light solid white) if I let it just boot to default (internal HDD win boot mgr) and it never goes anywhere. If I use f12 to select the win boot mgr it goes to a black screen (backlight on) and will sit there infinitely. Often the computer will fail to boot to the win install drive or will take a long time to do so which still leads me to believe there is some hardware issue despite diagnostics, the status light, and the ability to boot/install windows off the usb. I am going to try a live usb of Linux or something to see if I can get it to at least boot an OS.

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August 5th, 2021 18:00

@redxps630 i don’t have a DVD burner anymore and threw out all the old install media/live cds I collected over the years so it would be hard for me to do this. I’m going to try a live usb of Linux now and see.

The aio has only two ports and the cable appears to be some kind of proprietary cable as it combines power from a jumper and sata from the board into one connector for the drive. The ODD doesn’t have the same plug and thus I cannot swap them to see if the cable is the issue.

I put the ssd in an external enclosure and the drive appears to work fine in another computer. I can see the files the installer copied to the drive. 

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August 5th, 2021 18:00

Ahh gotcha, but unfortunately the same result. If I let it boot to default it stays on dell logo, if I boot to f12 menu and select win boot mgr it goes black and stays there. I left the dvd disconnected from power and sata just to be sure as well.

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August 5th, 2021 18:00

Re:The aio has only two ports and the cable appears to be some kind of proprietary cable as it combines power from a jumper and sata from the board into one connector for the drive. The ODD doesn’t have the same plug and thus I cannot swap them to see if the cable is the issue.

you are absolutely correct.  laptop style dvd drive uses mini sata power/data cable at drive side different from standard sata connectors.

the motherboard has two standard sata ports for ssd and odd.

what I suggested before is try unplug the ssd cable from motherboard sata port and then plug it in the other sata port for dvd on motherboard (you need to unplug the dvd cable first), in case the sata port for ssd on motherboard has some weird issue.

 

 

 

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August 5th, 2021 18:00

Re: stall on Dell logo.  

Can you verify that as soon as you unplug ssd cable from motherboard, pc proceeds smoothly through Dell logo and completes POST, then shows msg of "no boot device found"?  If so, the ssd and sata connection is causing the stalling of POST.

 

Re: win boot mgr

sounds like uefi bios.  have you tried a clean install of Windows 10 on ssd using legacy bios mode?

Re: I first tried an OEM ISO that has all the updates preinstalled etc, but then tried the Dell os recovery app to get a "clean" win 10 ISO.

have you tried a bona fide clean install using bootable usb prepared by Microsoft Windows 10 media tool (non-Dell)?

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August 5th, 2021 19:00

Just tried a live ubuntu usb and although it did take quite some time to boot, I was able to get it to the ubuntu desktop and am able to use all devices including wifi and can do everything like watch youtube/etc without any issue.

I did try to install using legacy bios mode one time but I will try again just to be sure.

I flashed the newest bios (4.3.0) after my first attempt at installing failed. I used a freedos usb and the dell bios file and was successful. This is not the first computer where I had UEFI issues which is ironic to me because I never was able to resolve those issues (was a custom build) and chalked it up to ghosts in the machine haha.

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August 5th, 2021 20:00

Ok I tried a windows 10 iso from microsoft and the same results.

Strangely, I was able to install Windows 7 and boot to desktop using the SSD. It booted the windows 7 usb very quickly, unlike the windows 10 installers, and installed and booted very quickly.

So now that I have isolated it is seemingly NOT a hardware issue, any ideas on how to resolve this strange issue? I installed windows 7 using UEFI mode with legacy option on and secureboot off, and the install usb was created with rufus on a GPT partition and UEFI so what gives?

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