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November 20th, 2024 23:25
XPS 15 9520, BSOD, Windows 11, I've tried everything!
XPS 15 9520
My XPS 9520 has been working perfectly until a couple of weeks ago when it started getting BSOD errors and/or simply restarting. The error screen either says Recovery or shows a QR code that goes by too quicky before the system reboots.
I have Windows 11 Home with all updates applied. I use Dell's SupportAssistant to check for new system updates and all are current. I can find no pattern to the crashes.
I have done the following:
sfc /scannow - it found and fixed a couple of items the first time through, and then no errors on subsequent passes
dism.exe /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
memtest86 - several passes
MalwareBytes
Set BIOS to default
Run Dell's diagnostics from website and SupportAssistant app - no errors but the website scan said "Warning" next to the video cards - Nvidia and Iris
remove Killer control panel using Control Panel > Programs and Features
turn off screen saver and set power setting to no display off and no sleep (because it seemed to crash when the screen saver started, but it crashes randomly and isn't related to the screen saver or power settings)
Event Viewer text is below. It seems that the crash is related to one or more Killer file, but I don't know what to do about it.
I was hoping to attach the minidump file, but I can't see how to attach a file to this message. Can I put the minidump file into Dropbox and provide a link?
I hope someone who understands those can offer me some help. (My system is out of warranty, so Dell is of no help.)
Thank you!
John
EVENT VIEWER:
Log Name: Application
Source: Application Error
Date: 11/20/2024 2:40:05 PM
Event ID: 1000
Task Category: Application Crashing Events
Level: Error
Keywords:
User: SYSTEM
Computer: XPS-15-9520
Description:
Faulting application name: KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe, version: 3.1524.510.1, time stamp: 0x663e3e89
Faulting module name: KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe, version: 3.1524.510.1, time stamp: 0x663e3e89
Exception code: 0xc0000409
Fault offset: 0x0000000000053d39
Faulting process id: 0x0x17C4
Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DB3B9D24DB7804
Faulting application path: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
Report Id: 50fc3959-73f0-48b2-ab33-da6dee7667b9
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
Event Xml:
1000
0
2
100
0
0x8000000000000000
441161
Application
XPS-15-9520
KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
3.1524.510.1
663e3e89
KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
3.1524.510.1
663e3e89
c0000409
0000000000053d39
0x17c4
0x1db3b9d24db7804
C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
50fc3959-73f0-48b2-ab33-da6dee7667b9


Chino de Oro
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November 21st, 2024 00:42
For issue caused by software, it could take days for troubleshooting. If you have a small spare SSD for quick troubleshooting, temporarily remove the boot drive and perform a clean Windows installation on spare SSD. Besides Intel chipset driver and ME driver, don't install anything else. Run Windows update and install all optional update (except BIOS firmware).
If the BSOD issue does not happen again, testing with reinstalling your applications little by little. Test run with reboot in between. If and when the BSOD reoccur, your should be able to identify which application causes the issue and resolve the conflicted driver or settings accordingly.
If the BSOD is gone, put your main drive back and apply the same fix to the culprit app. Or, you can choose a clean installation on your main boot drive as a resolution.
johnblaustein
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November 21st, 2024 01:25
@Chino de Oro Thanks for the reply.
I don't have copy of Windows to install on another drive, so that's not really an option for me.
The Event Viewer info point to this:
Faulting application path: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\RivetNetworks\Killer\KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe
When it says "Faulting application/module path," doesn't that mean that the Killer app and drivers are causing my BSOD?
Dell offers a one-time software support option where they will remotely look at my system and try to fix it. If they don't fix it, there is no charge. While I hate to pay to fix a computer that is only two years old, I may try that. I am trying to avoid a clean install if I can help it. As you know, that's hours of work.
John
Chino de Oro
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November 21st, 2024 01:44
Windows installer can be created using Microsoft Windows Creation Tool. However, that was suggested as the last option since you stated that you've tried everything.
If you haven't yet, disable all Killer services to see if it may help.
johnblaustein
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November 21st, 2024 02:10
In Add/Remove Programs, I uninstalled the Killer Control Center. In Task Mgr, I ended all Killer entries in Process. I'll see what happens.
Thanks again.
Chino de Oro
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November 21st, 2024 02:37
You're welcome. I learnt from someone on here, keep your fingers crossed!
johnblaustein
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November 21st, 2024 02:49
Well, no sooner had I ended all Killer entries in Task Mgr, the computer crashed again and rebooted itself. The Killer entries are back in Task Mgr.
In Windows > System32 > drivers, there is a folder called RivetNetworks and it contains a number of files and the Killer drivers. I wonder if I should try deleting the entire folder..... ? I suppose the Killer install files are on the Dell support site, but I haven't looked there yet.
You were sure right about one thing--troubleshooting takes forever!!!
Chino de Oro
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November 21st, 2024 03:09
No, Killer drivers are there to stay. With a clean installation, Windows will install the best fit driver with proper settings. That should resolved the issue. BSOD is just a way Windows reacted and telling users that it ran into problem but could not resolve in a set time. In your case, could be conflicted of Killers driver settings.
It may not be 100% working solution. But, a couple hours of reinstallation will sure beat days of uncertainty troubleshooting.
johnblaustein
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November 21st, 2024 03:36
I agree that days of uncertainty is unacceptable. I may just have to bite the bullet and do the clean install. I know the XPS has the option to return it to the "new, out of box" state. I suppose that's the way to start over. Before doing that, however, I may pay Dell $99 to try and fix this. If they don't fix it, there is no charge.
All of this said, I'm truly baffled that this is happening since I have made no changes to Windows or my applications. And, I have a Dell XPS desktop with the same applications and it continues to work fine (fortunately).
Again, many thanks!
johnblaustein
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November 21st, 2024 17:27
I have put Event Viewer and Minidump files into a Dropbox folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/mq45k4tfrwn07i02v3l4h/AJZXJQ0lHnnL0Yo9Y_3pQFw?rlkey=0lqaqotnun8lrt7xiiyfudmwz&st=37b62n23&dl=0
johnblaustein
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November 23rd, 2024 23:38
I have removed the RAM modules and reseated them, and the BSOD continues to happen in a random way.
King Marqy
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November 28th, 2024 08:46
Try removing the Dell trusted device driver and see if this helps.
johnblaustein
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December 10th, 2024 16:40
Follow-up and resolution:
I never found the cause of the random crashes. The solution was to reformat the hard drive (SSD) and do a fresh install of Windows 11.
My warranty had expired, so I paid Dell support $99 for one-event software support. The agent was excellent. He connected to my laptop for remote support and ran every test availalbe and looked at every setting in Windows and in the BIOS. (We talked on the phone the entire time he was connected to my computer, and I had the option to disconnect my computer from his at any time.) We actually talked and did a remote connection four days in a row. That gave time to see if any of the changes the agent made fixed the issue. Nothing worked, so the final option (which I really had hoped to avoid) was to back up all of my data and reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows. The agent walked me through reinstalling Windows, and it was quite easy. While it was a bit of a nuisance to reinstall my applications and restore my data, I'll say that the laptop now runs as fast as it day on the day I first got it. No more crashes.
Why the random crashes happened remains a mystery. I have always run WIndows Update and Dell SupportAssist for the latest updates. My applications include Chrome, Adobe Creative Cloud (PS, LR, Acrobat), a Word/Excel clone, Dropbox and Google Drive. None of those should have caused this issue.
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December 16th, 2024 18:17
@johnblaustein the exact same issue with me recently on my XPS 15 9520. My logs showed the same KillerProviderDataHelperService.exe failing. Spent days going back and forth with Dell tech support and letting them remote in to fix my machine. They ultimately told me I needed to reformat my computer as well and reinstall Windows. I didn't want to do this at all, so I tried uninstalling SupportAssist and SupportAssist Remediation. I haven't had a single blue screen event since (its been a week) and I was having them every hour or so. Dell doesn't want to admit its their own software causing it... very upsetting that this cost you $100
johnblaustein
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December 17th, 2024 02:31
@jtmccormick Sorry to hear you had the same issue, but glad you resolved it without the hassle of reformatting your HD and reinstalling Windows. After Windows was installed, the Dell tech had me go to Dell.com/support and have it search for drivers and necessary applications. Of course it installed Killer (or maybe Microsoft did that) and SupportAssistant. Even with Killer and SupportAssist, my system is running perfectly since the reinstall. While I did everything I could to avoid the reformat/reinstall, it turned out not to be as bad or time consuming as I'd expected.
As for the $100, it was my choice to opt for a short support plan when I bought the computer. I think a longer plan would have cost more than $100 more, so maybe I'm ahead. If something like this happens again, I'll try everything I did this time and then go for a reformat on my own, without spending $100 and hours on the phone with Dell.
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January 10th, 2025 12:22
@jtmccormick
Exactly in the same situation, ramdomly bluescreen reboot on the HTTP(s) Boot
pass several hours to try to update drivers bios, antivirus scan blahblah
strangely the Dell support contrat was passed 3 days before
I saw your message and uninstall of Dell SupportAssit software and by Magic no more problems
smell a bad practice of Dell