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XPS 8950, installing one 16GB DIMM vs two x 8GB DIMMs
As the Subject says, I'm trying to decide if I should buy a desktop XPS 8950 (or 8960) with one 16GB DIMM or 2 x 8GB DIMMs. For now, 16GB of RAM is all I really need, but I want to leave myself with the flexibility to add RAM in the future. Here's what I'm thinking about:
1- (This may be outdated information, but) I'm used to reading that RAM should be installed in pairs. If that's still true, why would Dell offer a computer with only 1 DIMM; and why might I choose one DIMM over 2 DIMMs?
2- Let's say I choose 2 x 8GB DIMMs for now. If I want to increase to 32GB in the future, I can do that in two ways: I can add another 2 x 8GB DIMMs or I could replace the existing 2 x 8GB DIMMs with 2 x 16GB DIMMs. If I add an additional 2 DIMMs then all four memory slots will be filled, but I read in another post that when all four slots are filled, the DIMMs will run at 3600MHz instead of 4400MHz. Is this a fact?
As always, thanks for your help.



CSPRO
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June 2nd, 2023 09:00
Agreed, at least, for the 8950....defintely stick to dual channel vs quad. The documentation states that the speed gets reduced down to 3600mhz if you go quad channel (which is dumb imho). With the lack of performance between dual and quad channel, unlike dual vs single, I would defintely want to stick to dual channel and keep the speed at 4400mhz vs dropping all the way down to 3600. 32gb (2x16) at 4400 would far outweigh 32gb (4x8) at 3600, IMHO.
FWIW, im in the process of rebuilding my 8950 with a new Mobo/psu/case and ram because i needed to boost my 32gb ram to 64 or 128 for my photography and photoshop workflows. In discovering the performance loss when going to quad channel on the 8950 I decided to go 64gb (2x32) and, while i knew about the MHz cap, discovered that the latency is also capped. Which pushed me towards a rebuild. Anywho, yesterday my parts came in and I went ahead and ran some tests with GSkill Ripjaws S5 64gb (2x32) 6000mhz CL32 and, per PassMark memory mark testing, there is a slight boost in performance with the Gskill ram in motherboard marked slots 3 and 4 vs 1 and 2. In another post on here i uploaded a bunch of screenshots illustrating this.
I think its weird that theres better performance in slot 3 and 4 vs 1 and 2, which CPU-Z sees slot 3 and 4 as Slot 1 and 3 while slot 1 and 2 is shown as slot 2 and 4. Not sure about that one. But anywho, the default 32gb sticks had a memory mark score of 3220 or 76% percentile while the Ripjaws in slot 3/4 had a score of 3310 or 80th percentile.
CSPRO
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June 2nd, 2023 08:00
As professor said, there is more of a significant performance boost when looking at dual/quad channel vs single channel. The performance boost, or dollar to performance boost, is more significant than Quad channel vs dual channel. I always tell people, go dual or quad way faster than going single, just dont put to much into going quad over dual unless you just wanna throw money at it.
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June 2nd, 2023 08:00
That's what I understood as well. So with 2 x 8GB, if I want to go from 16GB to 32GB, I have to toss the 8GB DIMMs and replace them with 2 x 16GB DIMMs. If that's the way it has to be ... that's the way it will be. Just feels like a waste.
ProfessorW00d
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June 2nd, 2023 08:00
Installing 2 x 8GB modules is much better than 1 x 16GB module because it allows the memory to run in dual channel.
Not only will the "four slots filled" run slower, but 4 x 8GB is not a supported configuration on the XPS 8950. That is not to say it will not work, only that it has not been tested and validated by Dell.
ProfessorW00d
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June 2nd, 2023 09:00
Since you seem to be set on the eventual 32GB configuration, consider ordering with 2 x 16GB modules from the start . . . it will be less expansive in the long run as purchasing individual RAM modules from Dell can be very expensive.
MastiffX
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June 2nd, 2023 14:00
Okay, I understand now that 2 x 16GB is better than 4 x 8GB if 32GB is the goal.
Regarding 4 slots vs. 2 slots: Dell already caps 4800MHz DDR5 to 4400MHz when 1 or 2 slots are used, and further caps the speed to 3600MHz when 3 or 4 slots are used, because memory can't run (with stability) at speeds faster than what the rest of the hardware can support, mostly the motherboard and the CPU. Is Dell being unnecessarily conservative? Perhaps. But if they're going to be that way, why sell 'K' processors? (Because bragging rights exist.)
Paying extra for 2 x 16GB has a low WAF at the present time.
ProfessorW00d
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June 2nd, 2023 15:00
Processors designated as "K" are sourced from the highest yield wafers at the manufacturing labs and as such, statistically, these CPU's are the most reliable and most efficient . . . statistically.
CSPRO
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June 2nd, 2023 23:00
ummm....maybe....but from all my years at it, K and KF processors are generally considered the processors with unlocked multipliers which allow them to be overclocked, KF meaning it lacks internal graphics ability (the need for discreet gpu). I would assume you knew this, based on a previous post of yours.
Ive never heard K meaning they are sourced from high yield wafers. Thats a first. Not saying its wrong, but the industry doesn't refer to K processors in that regard, intel included.
Mastiff, Dell choosing K processors for the xps is solely due to the fact that they have the highest frequencies attainable, since xps is a "performance" machine and since not all XPS's have discreet gpus, also have graphics ability built in. They could care less about the OC performance. Now, looking at the 8950, and other recent XPS's with the "overclock" setting in bios, generally, in the past, with Dells all it was is a "preset" voltage and or core limit setting, a factory overclock if you will. You can use Xtu, too, but generally bios OC'ing is prefereable as its loaded before the OS loads (a reliability thing), well, that and BIOS oc'ing generally entails RAM XMP profiles and what not. In all retrospect, the K processors in XPS's are pretty "nerf'd" if youve heard that term before. They nerf them for reliability in similar fashion to how Apple treats its customers, for reliability.
ProfessorW00d
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June 3rd, 2023 08:00
I will hunt down my source when I have a moment. However, wouldn't it seem reasonable that Intel would want the processors with the unlocked clock multipliers to be the chips that, statistically, would be more likely to remain stable at overclocked frequencies?