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August 20th, 2023 06:56

R6515 A/B power not working

Hello
I'm trying to enable redundant power supply on my R6515 however there are issues.
As soon as I change the redundancy policy to A/B I get errors in IDRAC. I also see that both PSU continue to draw power.
The server is connected to both A and B power so I don't see what the problem is.
PSU 1 is connected to A power circuit. PSU 2 is connected to B power circuit.
When I did a test by pulling one of the PSU, the server rebooted so there does not seem to be any redundancy.

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August 21st, 2023 14:51

Hello David,

 

On the Power Configuration try:

Redundancy Policy : A/B Grid Redundant

Set Hot Spare: Enabled

In Primary PSU assign: PSU1 or PSU2

Power Factor Correction:  Disabled

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August 21st, 2023 18:42

@Dell -Charles R​ 

I gave this a try but the same error happens.

In the event logs it says power redundancy lost

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21-08-2023 19:44 PM

Hello David,

 

Can you post image of the selections you used?

 

Try selecting the other PSU, than you have selected now, for the Primary PSU.

 

Try give the DRAC a reboot and check results again.

 

Check you are at the latest iDRAC and BIOS firmware:

https://dell.to/45CrrVL

 

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22-08-2023 18:00 PM

Hello David,

There is work going on on the forum so that may have been what caused you not to see the reply.

 

Are the PSU identical with identical firmware?

Are the PSU LED lit?

 

Below is documentation on power supply redundancy if you could take a look.

One thing I wonder is did the PSU complete discovery?

 

 

The iDRAC GUI online help  information:

 

Redundancy  Policy

 

*Not Redundant—If a PSU fails, the system may shut down

 

*A/B Grid Redundant—power supplies are divided into Grid A and Grid 8.

If a grid or a PSU on one grid fails, but the PSUs on the second grid are

Functional, the system does not shut down. Grid redundancy depends on

the system configuration.

 

*PSU Redundant—If any one of the PSUs fails, the system does not shut

down. PSU redundancy depends on the system configuration

When PSU redundancy is used, the PSUs are not divided into

grids Each PSU is considered as an individual contributor

 

Hot spare is a Power-Supply Unit (PSU) feature that configures

redundant PSUs to turn off depending on the server load.

This allows the remaining PSUs to operate at a higher load and efficiency.

 

 

Other documentation:

R6515 Installation and Service Manual : Power Supplies page 90-93

https://dell.to/3OLzJ6X

CAUTION: When connecting the power cable to the PSU, secure the cable to the PSU with the strap.

NOTE: When installing, hot swapping, or hot adding a new PSU, wait for 15 seconds for the system to recognize the

PSU and determine its status. The PSU redundancy may not occur until discovery is complete. The PSU status indicator

turns green to indicate that the PSU is functioning properly.

NOTE: For certain premium configurations with high power consumption, system PSU might stay with 2+0 mode only, 1+1

redundant mode is not available.

NOTE: While replacing the hot swappable PSU, after next server boot; the new PSU automatically updates to the same

firmware and configuration of the replaced one. For more information about the Part replacement configuration, see the

Lifecycle Controller User's Guide at https://dell.to/3qLzZe8

NOTE: Ensure to install the latest iDRAC 4.4x version or any later versions to support the 700 W PSU.

 

The default PSU settings are as follows:

● If the load on the active PSU is more than 50 percent of PSU rated power wattage, then the redundant PSU is switched to

the active state.

● If the load on the active PSU falls below 20 percent of PSU rated power wattage, then the redundant PSU is switched to

the sleep state.

 

 

Configuring power supply options  Page 205-206

https://dell.to/45AigoU

 

You can configure the power supply options such as redundancy policy, hot spare, and power factor correction.

NOTE: Hot spare and Power factor correction features may not be available on some of the platforms/releases.

Hot spare is a power supply feature that configures redundant Power Supply Units (PSUs) to turn off depending on the server

load. This allows the remaining PSUs to operate at a higher load and efficiency. This requires PSUs that support this feature, so

that it quickly powers ON when needed.

In a two PSU system, either PSU1 or PSU2 can be configured as the primary PSU.

After Hot Spare is enabled, PSUs can become active or go to sleep based on load. If Hot Spare is enabled, asymmetric electrical

current sharing between the two PSUs is enabled. One PSU is awake and provides the majority of the current; the other PSU is

in sleep mode and provides a small amount of the current. This is often called 1 + 0 with two PSUs and hot spare enabled. If all

PSU-1s are on Circuit-A and all PSU-2s are on Circuit-B, then with hot spare enabled (default hot spare factory configuration),

Circuit-B has much less load and triggers the warnings. If hot spare is disabled, the electrical current sharing is 50-50 between

the two PSUs, the Circuit-A and Circuit-B normally has the same load.

Power factor is the ratio of real power consumed to the apparent power. When power factor correction is enabled, the server

consumes a small amount of power when the host is OFF. By default, power factor correction is enabled when the server is

shipped from the factory.

 

 

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August 21st, 2023 21:59

@Dell -Charles R​ Strange it says that you've replied to me 2 hours ago but I don't see your reply anywhere on here or via browserling except for the preview in my notifications

"Dell -Charles R replied to your comment: Hello David, Can you post image of the selections you used? Try selecting the other PSU, than you have selected now, for the Primary PSU. Try give the DRAC a reboot and check results ag"

Yes. I've tried everything including this. I just tried it again and dashboard showed this again.

Resetting IDRAC did nothing. I've tried to set Primary PSU to PSU1 and PSU2 but none resolved the issue. I've tried setting Set Hot Spare to on and off as well.
I even tried plugging in the psus to a different circuit.
2.12.4
7.00.00.00

I'm using the latest firmware on bios and IDRAC.

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August 27th, 2023 08:24

@Dell -Charles R​ I'm still unable to see any replies including my own :(

I can confirm this issue via browserling again

https://www.browserling.com/browse/win10/chrome115/https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/rack-servers/r6515-ab-power-not-working/64e1b92912fff17cb996d791?commentId=64e3b015f70c0510d27a7ae4&replyId=64e4f7d0fae0db2daad644d5

Do you think you could solve this issue or should we close this thread and open a new one since it's bugged?

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28-08-2023 06:49 AM

Hello have you tried clearing the event logs? and cold boot as well?

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29-08-2023 13:12 PM

Hello David,

There is work going on the forum so that may have been what caused you not to see the reply.

 

Are the PSU identical with identical firmware?

Are the PSU LED lit?

 

Is the system still on original hardware?  Has anything been added or removed?

 

Try updating the PSU firmware:

PSU - Part #:6V43G  (firm. 00.0C.7D) - update to Version: (00.0C.80)

https://dell.to/3RgZX4n

It will require a maintenance window

Please view the Important Information at the bottom of the firmware page.

Basically do not try turning it on or off or anything until firmware update completes.

When the Power Supply Units (PSU) are updated, the server appears to be powered off. DO NOT try to power it on, as this might end in a fault of the units. The server will power on again on its own, when the update is completed (after 5-15 minutes).

 

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November 11th, 2023 13:16

Are the PSU identical with identical firmware? Yes

Power Supply.Slot.1 00.0C.80
Power Supply.Slot.2 00.0C.80

Are the PSU LED lit? Yes

Is the system still on original hardware?  Has anything been added or removed?

It's original except for the ram. It had 512GB but I've since upgraded it to 1TB. I used the Dell Part AA783423 16x sticks.

But this seems to be an issue with the psus? I'm almost considering if I need to get the 1100w version? The 550w should be enough as I only use 150-300w but the theoretical max load could be a little more than 550w and maybe it's this that's causing the issue?

Name Amps Volts
PS1 0.6 116
PS2 0.6 116

But it's still strange. I can't get it to just use one PSU. It always uses both even if primary is set

>Try updating the PSU firmware:

I've now done this but after changing to A/B the same issue occurs.

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13-11-2023 02:59 AM

Could we go back to 512GB from 1TB?

Or one more thing I could think of is that you go back to the original setting if you have added any hardware since the purchase.

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November 28th, 2023 11:17

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That didn't work either. It gives this

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28-11-2023 17:18 PM

Hello,

can you try to update BIOS to 2.13.3 version?

Dell Server PowerEdge BIOS R6515/R7515 Version 2.13.3 | Driver Details | Dell US

 

And please update iDRAC as well

iDRAC 7.00.30.00 | Driver Details | Dell US

 

And what are the part number of the PSU?

Because there are some firmware update for PSU too.

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November 29th, 2023 04:19

@DELL-Marco B​ 

I've updated the bios and idrac to latest version.

Both of the PSU have part number 06V43GA00 with firmware

00.0C.80

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29-11-2023 07:02 AM

Hello the troubleshooting provided so far is a textbook steps, if this doesn't fix the issue, kindly raise an official ticket to dig even further: https://dell.to/3sRFDg3
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September 24th, 2024 15:04

Hi,

We experience the same problem described above. I think more people will probably have this issue. Is it already known at Dell support?

This is with BIOS 2.15.2, iDRAC 7.10.70.00, and powersupplies on  00.31.50 

I am able to boot on one powersupply though.

after booting on one PSU, i put the second PDU online. Then i pull the plug again. Then the machine is powered off..

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September 24th, 2024 17:45

Hello,

 

First try updating the firmware on the PSU:

LiteOn 550W PSU (PN: NCNFF, 034X1) Firmware Package : 00.33.50

https://dell.to/4dg34AF

IMPORTANT:

After a successful power supply firmware download, the managed system will turn off for a duration ranging from three to twenty minutes to continue updating the firmware. It is imperative not to disturb/restart manually the system, wait until the PSU FW update finishes. (Update time may vary depending on number of PSU for update, it may vary approximately from 10 mins to 20 mins.Margin should be added to ensure the Dell Update Package (DUP) is not interrupted. Once the firmware update is complete, the managed system will reboot automatically.

 

 

Have you had a chance to shut down and swap slots to see if the issue follows the PSU or stays in the slot?

 

Try your test of power up on one PSU, install the other then pull power with the PSU in each position:

 

PSU1 / PSU2

 

PSU2 / PSU1

 

See if pulling power from each one in each configuration has different results.

 

We want to see if the issue is related to one of the PSU or a slot.

 

Have you tried different power cables and power source?

 

Test with PSU2 as primary PSU and see if the result is the same or different.

 

Has any hardware been added or removed from original configuration?

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September 25th, 2024 13:50

Hi Charles,

Thank you for the pointers. I will update the firmwares and retry PSU reseating.

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September 26th, 2024 07:18

Hi Charles,

I have performed PSU swapping and pulling even with 2 PSU from another machine, no luck. But we figured out that the faling machine is Revision A01. We also have machines with revision A03 that do NOT have the problem.

command performed:  dmidecode |grep -A4 "Base Board Information"

Failing machine:

Base Board Information
        Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
        Product Name: 07PXPY
        Version: A01
        Serial Number: .1GQPQD3.CNCMS0013M00U5.

Working machine:

Base Board Information
	Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
	Product Name: 04F3CJ
	Version: A03
	Serial Number: .F9HCS23.CNCMU009CQ00EY.

I have a strong feeling we hit a Board issue here. What do you think?

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September 26th, 2024 10:31

Ok, we found it. an IDRAC setting that made the server to power down when a PSU did not have power or is removed.

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October 28th, 2024 16:18

@linux-tg​ Hi. I have an identical problem to that which you were having. What was the iDRAC setting that made the server to power down when a PSU did not have power or is removed? Thanks

Rob

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October 29th, 2024 08:40

After many long hours trawling through every iDRAC setting, I finally found it: Configuration > System Settings > Alerts Configuration > Alerts > Alert Configuration > Power Supply > Actions

My setting here was originally set to "Power Off" on a critical event for the Power Supply. I have now set this to "No Action" and now it works as it should have done.

Hope this helps someone else who has set their dual power supplies to A/B Grid Redundant but their server shuts down when only one power supply is disconnected.

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