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November 16th, 2024 19:02

Windows 7 x86 (installed on Dell 5820 Tower with 32GB RAM) has only 1.18GB usable RAM

I have a Dell Precision 5820 Tower with Intel Xeon W-2145 (8 core) and 32GB RAM (BIOS version: 2.02).  It came with "Windows 10 Pro x64" and a "Windows 7 Pro x64" downgrade option. I have been running a dual-boot system (Legacy boot) with "Windows 10 Pro x64" and "Windows 7 Pro x64" installed on two separate partitions of a NVMe drive, with no issues. 

Recently I have been trying to expand my multi-boot setup to include an option of either "Windows 10 x86" or "Windows 7 x86".  I need a 32bit version of Windows so that some of my expensive legacy software can run better.

I have not been able to install any 32bit version of Windows 10 on Dell 5820, because the installer will invariably fail during the install.  But I have been able to install "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" on Dell 5820. The only issue is the available RAM for this install. Typically, a 32bit version of Windows 7 (10) will have 3.5GB physical RAM available, but this install has only 1.18GB physical RAM available, out of 32GB installed RAM (according to msinfo32, Task Manager, Windows System info, etc)

My question is:
Are there any settings within Dell 5820 that actually prevents any install of 32bit version of Windows 10, and limit the available RAM for an installed 32bit version of Windows 7?  If so, can something be done to change that?

Lots of thank.

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November 16th, 2024 19:39

Here are 2 pictures for the previous post.

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November 16th, 2024 22:43

32 bit Windows versions are limited to 4GB of RAM.  Its a limitation of Windows, not a hardware limitation.

64 bit versions do not have the limitation.

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November 17th, 2024 01:27

A typical 32bit Windows install will have 3.45GB physical RAM available, as is the case for all my previous install of 32bit Windows on other PCs. But this install of "Windows 7 Home Premium x86"on Dell 5820 only has 1.18GB RAM. The question is why there is such a big difference between 3.45GB RAM and 1.18GB RAM. An install with 3.45GB Physical RAM is viable because legacy software will run very well there, while an install with 1.18GB physical RAM is not viable.


Here are 2 pictures showing 3.45GB RAM with "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" installed on another PC.

Here are 2 pictures showing 3.45GB RAM with "Windows 10 Pro x86" installed on another PC.

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November 17th, 2024 02:38

Maybe because 32-bit OS does not support quad channel memory and your Windows 7 32-bit can not access to all four channel memory in the 5820, just partially.

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November 17th, 2024 03:42

@Chino de Oro​ 

A very thoughtful reply, but I have 2 x 16GB memory in Dell 5820, so only two channel memory is active. I have a Lenovo Think Server TS140, with 4 DIMM slots, filled with 4x4GB RAM. "Windows 10 Pro x86" and "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" installed on TS140 still have 3.45GB physical RAM available.

Still, 1.18GB is a very odd number.

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November 17th, 2024 03:47

@daniel2024​ 

A typical 32bit Windows install will have 3.45GB physical RAM available, as is the case for all my previous install of 32bit Windows on other PCs. But this install of "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" on Dell 5820 only has 1.18GB RAM. The question is why there is such a big difference between 3.45GB RAM and 1.18GB RAM. An install with 3.45GB Physical RAM is viable because legacy software will run very well there, while an install with 1.18GB physical RAM is not viable.


Here are 2 pictures showing 3.45GB RAM with "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" installed on another Think Server TS140.

Here are 2 pictures showing 3.45GB RAM with "Windows 10 Pro x86" installed on Think Server TS140.

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November 17th, 2024 03:59

@daniel2024

A typical 32bit Windows install will have 3.45GB physical RAM available, as is the case for all my previous install of 32bit Windows on other PCs. But this install of "Windows 7 Home Premium x86" on Dell 5820 only has 1.18GB RAM. The question is why there is such a big difference between 3.45GB RAM and 1.18GB RAM.

An install with 3.45GB Physical RAM is viable because legacy software will run very well there, while an install with 1.18GB physical RAM is not viable.

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November 17th, 2024 04:13

@Chino de Oro​ 

So there is a possibility that if I populate all 8 memory slots, i.e., 8x4GB instead of 2x 16GB, the installed 32bit Windows may actually see 3.45GB?

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November 17th, 2024 04:17

Re:   The question is why there is such a big difference between 3.45GB RAM and 1.18GB RAM.

Maybe because you are installing unsupported OS on your 5820.

Your Precision 5820 support these operating systems:

BIOS
Red Hat® Linux 7.3
Red Hat® Linux 7.5
Red Hat® Linux 8.0
Red Hat® Workstation 7.3
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Ubuntu® 16.04
Ubuntu® 18.04 LTS
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2019
Windows 10, 64-bit
Windows 11
Windows 7, 64-bit

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November 17th, 2024 04:35

@Chino de Oro​ 

You are right. 32bit Windows is not supported. But my question is: Are there any settings or hardware choice on Dell 5820 that makes running 32bit Windows impossible?

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November 17th, 2024 05:07

When the hardware does not support the 32-bit OS, obviously there is no setting options to make it become compatible.  Not support does not mean it does not work.  When working, it may not fully compatible, like in your case. 

Solution, when the 5820 hardware does not support 32-bit instructions OS, installing it on older hardware should meet your needs and resolved all your issue. 

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November 17th, 2024 11:05

Why not simply using a virtual machine to install and run those os on the 5820 ? You've the added benefit of running the host and guest os concurrently, too.

You can use virtualbox or even vmware workstation ( that now is free )

Edit,

as for why the 1.18GB of free ram .. is due to your GPU Vram. Gpu ram is counted in the 4GB limit

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November 17th, 2024 11:16

Moreover, you could just try enabling / forcing PAE

Physical Address Extension - Win32 apps | Microsoft Learn

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November 17th, 2024 16:53

@mazzinia_​ 

My video card comes with 8GB GDDR5 RAM, and doesn't use system RAM, unlike some of the old video cards that need System RAM to supplement.

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November 17th, 2024 16:57

@mazzinia_​ 

PAE doesn't help. For some reason, this install doesn't see enough RAM in the system to secure 3.45GB for its use.

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