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June 4th, 2024 19:40
Precision 7960 Thunderbolt 4 AIC and cables
@Chino de Oro You seem to be the authority on such things, so could you shed some light on the part numbers required (card and cables) for a TB4 card for my Precision 7960? I see from the manual that there’s a 14-pin to 14-pin header cable being used - what’s the part number for that? Many thanks!
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Chino de Oro
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June 4th, 2024 20:20
Don't expect highly of me so you won't get disappointment. The 7960 is too new for parts and accessories in circulation with third party sellers. You can chat with Sales or request a Sales callback https://www.dell.com/en-uk/lp/contact-us
Inquiring the compatibility for this thunderbolt 4 AIC with Manufacturer Part RGF9P | Dell Part 540-BDLC | Order Code 540-Bdlc. Also verifying if the header cable is included with this CRU kit (it usually does).
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 5th, 2024 05:30
Many thanks for that. I already have the card, it's the header cable that's proving very difficult to acquire! There seem to be variants of the cables depending on the platform being used; for instance, I bought a RTWF2 which isn't quite right for the 7960, and I also see there's a 3FMMG which also doesn't look quite right in terms of connectors. Puzzling.
Chino de Oro
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June 5th, 2024 06:57
The header cable RTWF2 can be used together with Dell thunderbolt 4 AIC 7R4VG. Also is compatible with your 7960.
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 5th, 2024 08:52
The problem (as I see it, I may be wrong) is that the RTWF2 has a 14-pin sideband connector, this goes in the AIC, all good so far. At the other end are a 10-pin USB2 header, and a 10-pin TBT header, which seems to indicate that it's incompatible with the 7960, which has a 14-pin TBT motherboard socket. Do I just ignore the TBT aspect of this cable?
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June 5th, 2024 09:54
Found a seller with cable information showing that RTWF2 is compatible with 5860 and 7960 but is not compatible with other systems. The cable 3FMMG, on the other hand, is compatible with 3650, 3660, but is not with 5860 or 7960. Because other systems have 10-pin TBT connector, while the 7960 has 14-pin TBT connector.
https://us.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Networking-07R4VG-Replacement-Precision/dp/B0CCJQ7M3L
You can test your RTWF2 without the TBT connector if you choose. Although it's required.
Another note, the TB AIC needs to be on a PCH slot. Therefore, try slot 2 or slot 3.
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 5th, 2024 10:16
Thanks for all of this, I do appreciate it.
Looking at cable 3FMMG, I see a 14-pin sideband connector for the AIC, and 2 connectors from that, a 14-pin (labelled CAC/PIV) and a 10-pin (labelled TBT4). Not sure what CAC/PIV means in this context, but googling infers some sort of Smart Card interface?
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 5th, 2024 10:33
A bit more digging has unearthed another cable - a 2RTV3 (ASSY,CBL,GPIO+USB2,TBT4). Do you have any images of that? I can't find any.
Chino de Oro
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June 5th, 2024 10:41
CAC/PIV is connector #14 on your system board (see below). There is a 9-pin section for USB connector.
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 5th, 2024 11:03
@Chino de Oro I'm missing something here, where's the 9-pin section for the USB connector on that diagram you've shown?
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 6th, 2024 11:57
Ah, is the CAC/PIV connector a dual-purpose one?
Chino de Oro
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June 6th, 2024 12:22
System board call outs https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-bg/precision-t7960-workstation/precision-t7960-setup-and-specifications/system-board-call-outs?guid=guid-42f8d2c3-3295-4b12-b322-97ad6734853e&lang=en-us
Don't have access to a 7960 for testing but had connected a 9-pin USB connector for bluetooth on a different system and it worked as USB port.
johnnyboyc_uk
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June 6th, 2024 13:18
@Chino de Oro So to clarify: socket #14 (coincidentally with 14 pins) will most likely accept the 9-pin USB connector from the RTWF2 cable?
Chino de Oro
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June 6th, 2024 14:19
Yes, the keyed pin on the USB connector should line up with missing pin in #14 socket and allowing a proper connection.
johnnyboyc
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June 7th, 2024 08:32
@Chino de Oro I'll give it a whirl and report back here as to whether success occurred :)
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June 7th, 2024 12:57
@Chino de Oro Well that was an unmitigated failure. Having put the card in one of the 2 'correct' slots and connected up the cable, the 7960 doesn't even acknowledge the presence of the card (the relevant settings don't show in the BIOS).
I have a previous-generation TB3 card which I put in the same slot at the TB4; this *is* detected, however that card will only function properly if I change something (it doesn't seem to matter what) in the BIOS, save the change, and restart the PC.
It's worth mentioning that I've switched slots, tried with/without cable, nothing seems to work properly.
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