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March 2nd, 2025 22:53
5820: can I make it boot a Windows NVME drive from another machine?
I bought a 5820 which came with a 1tb NVME which has Windows installed. It works great. The other three bays are set up for hard drives.
I tried replacing the 1tb windows booting drive in this Dell with my working 4tb NVME (Windows booting) which I use on my HP Z840 (this NVME sits on a PCIE card). No luck. But a Fedora USB can see the nvme is there. I tried turning off VMB (is it VMB?), tried turning secure boot on and then off. If I put the 1tb original back it works fine.
Any thoughts on why the drive from HP won't work?
Second question, my Dell 5820 says it has two mini SAS ports, one of which goes to the nvme drive bay. Can I connect the second mini SAS port to a SAS hard drive?
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mazzinia_
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March 3rd, 2025 15:56
@IceStation well, is not strange that that bay doesn't like SATA. The bays backplanes are 2 , each handling 2 drives. And there's no mixed backplane ( nvme / sata ) , so the backplane connects to both miniSas port and that means that both front flexbays related to that backplane are accepting only nvme or U.2 drives.
U.2 drives are generally in 2.5" format , thus the 2nd bay is with a caddy so that one could be installed. The dell adapter for a 2nd nvme in the flexbay was factory installed only if the 5820 was sold with a 2nd nvme placed there.
And yes, if you want to install a sas hdd, you need a raid card ( that can take advantage, in your case, only of the bottom 2 flexbays, and of the 5.25" if you fit a bay adapter there )
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March 19th, 2025 14:03
Previously I had updated the BIOS.
Now I went to the dell support page, ran a scan, and got it to update all my drivers. Rebooted and the NVME is detected and working in Secure boot. Problem solved.
mazzinia_
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March 3rd, 2025 00:29
Hello,
the 2nd mini SAS already goes to the drive bay next to the one having the nvme now.
You have 4 bays and they can be configured in 2 different ways
Way 1 :
sata sata
sata sata
Way 2:
nvme/U.2 nvme/u.2
sata sata
In the free bay next to the nvme you can install uniquely either a nvme drive ( with an adapter ) or an enterprise u.2 ssd
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March 3rd, 2025 05:24
@mazzinia_ Thanks. If I plug a 2.5" or 3.5" SAS drive into the drive bay next to the one having the nvme will it work? It is interesting, because I got a strange light when I tried to plug a SATA HD in there.
The nvme drive which came with the system goes into an aluminium/plastic sleeve and slots into that bay. Is that a U.2 ssd adapter?
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March 3rd, 2025 09:04
@IceStation it will not work, as I mentioned it's converted to have either a nvme m.2 (using a dell adapter like the one in the other bay, that has to be sourced separately / or using a 3rd party suitable adapter) or a 2.5" U.2 enterprise ssd.
You cannot plug sata or sas (mechanical) drives (simply because that's not SAS)
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March 3rd, 2025 15:47
@mazzinia_ Thanks again. I saw a video where someone took the 5820 apart and showed exactly my set up. One 1tb nvme with the adapter in one top slot, and the possibility to put a U2 drive into the second slot. Then the bottom two slots are both for SATA.
So you need a SAS card and appropriate cabling if you want to install SAS drives.
It is strange that mini-SAS is mentioned. But it will probably be clear when I read more.
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March 4th, 2025 13:47
Any thoughts on why the drive from HP won't work?
Your HP Z840 was likely built with Haswell processor and hardware components from 2014. Therefore, the boot drive was containing some Legacy settings in boot mode.
Your Dell Precision 5820 was built many years later, probably with Xeon W processor, Cascade Lake or similar. UEFI firmware and other BIOS advanced security boot mode may have detected conflict settings from the HP boot drive and would not boot due to incompatibility.
Second question, my Dell 5820 says it has two mini SAS ports, one of which goes to the nvme drive bay. Can I connect the second mini SAS port to a SAS hard drive?
No, you can not connect miniSAS port to as SAS hard drive because both of the ports are already being connected to the upper flexbay and despite the name, the backplane that connected to miniSAS port does not support SAS drives.
In addition to the valuable information from mazzinia about your flexbay hardware, just want to let you know that the drive bay next to the one having the NVMe can be utilized with another NVMe using a U.2 adapter such as this one. Put an NVMe SSD in the adapter, install the adapter into the drive bracket with 2.5: adapter and it will be ready.
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March 19th, 2025 09:23
Thanks for the tip about buying a cheap U.2 adapter to fit into the second slot. I've seen these for sale in various venues. I ended up buying an 800 GB enterprise SAS SSD to try in that slot. It if doesn't work I'll use it somewhere else.
I cloned the Crucial P3 4tb NVME I was using, in the u.2 adapter, onto a 4TB SATA hard drive which I placed in one of the lower, SATA, drive bays. It boots Windows 11 fine. There is nothing wrong with the OS image on my NVME drive. Another NVME works in that u.2 adapter. It seems that the drive isn't compatible with the 5820 or I need some kind of firmware.
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March 19th, 2025 14:24
@IceStation the 800GB enterprise ssd will work, I've a 1.7GB u.2 in my 7820 and didn't make a fuss aside not properly light up the lights on the caddy ( the HB light is on, the operation light isn't. while the m.2 in the dell adapter has the HB on, and operation light working ).
Only way to not work is if it's a brand/model requiring drivers that are behind a paywall and thus hard to get.
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March 22nd, 2025 23:12
@mazzinia_ Thanks again. It is great news that my 800gb SAS enterprise SSD will work in the U.2 in my 5820. I checked it in my HP Z840 (which has SAS), and this device has only been powered on 10 hours. So it was a great buy for under £30.
It wasn't recognised in the Dell, but now I know it should work I'll try again. I have a couple of projects, and I could use it in a NAS if it doesn't play out.
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March 22nd, 2025 23:39
@IceStation it wasn't recognized in the Dell ? could you write the brand and part number, if not an issue ?