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June 18th, 2017 09:00

i recently bought a aurora pc, and plan on upgrading it as i get paychecks every week, i am hoping to find out if the parts i want to upgrade to are compatible with my current mobo

current setup

MOBO - alienware 07HV66 (U3E1)  ( all i could find on the motherboard sadly)

cpu - i7 7700k

ram - 8gb (installed by dell)

PS - 850W liquid cooled

GPU - radeon 970 (installed by me when pc arrived)

HDD - toshiba 2 tb 

Final Build

Motherboard - same as current build

CPU - same as current build

Ram - 32 GB Kingston Fury ddr4 - 2400 (2x16GB, might be 64 GB eventually)

PS - same as current build

GPU - 2 asus grforce gtx 1070 dual series 

HDD - same as current, but with an added 1.1 TB Crucial MX300 m.2-2280 SSD

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June 18th, 2017 10:00

also, what would be the mm clearance between the 2 gpus since i would most likely have to get a HB sli bridge for it too

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June 18th, 2017 22:00

1. Ram - 32 GB Kingston Fury ddr4 - 2400 (2x16GB, might be 64 GB eventually)

2. GPU - 2 asus grforce gtx 1070 dual series 

3. HDD - same as current, but with an added 1.1 TB Crucial MX300 m.2-2280 SSD

1. Good. Right Kingston Hyper-X Fury 2400/2666 (OC) will work. 2x16 will run Dual-Channel. Their are limits on 64gb (see manual)

2. A single-card solution would be better if you can manage it. Who wants to mess with SLI or the cooling for 2 cards if you don't have to? Are your running 4K or higher?

3. Yes, get the PCIe/NVMe M.2 SSD for boot. I'm getting 3000/1500 on mine. Fully cold-boots in less than 20 seconds.

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June 19th, 2017 05:00

was thinking corsair or kingston, sadly theres not many choices for 16GB ram chips.

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June 19th, 2017 05:00

1. im debating on what ram to get, was looking at corsair or kingston, but 32 was the starting point, if i neede more i would add later.
2. i dont know about 4k, but if 1 card makes more sense ill try that first, if i have to upgrade later its an option.
3. k, new to SSD's so it will be my first.

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June 19th, 2017 05:00

Power supply should be 1000W or more.

Kingston has a very bad reputation for working with Dell I would Recommend Getting Crucial Ram from their configuration.

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June 19th, 2017 05:00

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dannielmai/saved/WmKrHx 

this is the build i want it to be when im done

June 19th, 2017 08:00

speedstep wrote:

1. Power supply should be 1000W or more.

2. Kingston has a very bad reputation for working with Dell I would Recommend Getting Crucial Ram from their configuration.

1. about the PSU:

CPU = 100W
SLI = 300W (150W per Card)

let's say the PSU is 80+ Certified. which leaves atleast 280W for the other Components
as an Example, AW X51 R3 is able to run a Single GTX 1070 with 330W PSU.

2. is it based on your own Experience? i have 16 GB (4x4 GB) HyperX Fury DDr4 at Home and it works with my Dell Machine perfectly fine.

back on Topic:
i'm with Tesla1856 regarding SLI. single 1080TI is slightly slower then 1070 SLI, runs cooler, consumes less Power and you don't have to deal with SLI Profiles. the Price is almost the same.

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June 19th, 2017 08:00

Which Aurora?  R4 has 32 Gigs max per crucial.

R5 says 64

DDR4 PC4-21300 • 16-18-18 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR4-2666 • 1.2V

R4

GTX 1070 uses 75W from the slot and 150W from the Aux power connections = 225W per card.  225W X 2 = 450W  which is why the FSP Booster X5 SLI power supply is also 450W.  MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X has a 6pin & 8pin connectors which is 75W for the slot and 225W for the power connectors which is 300W per card per the PCI-E spec.

Amazon.com: FSP Group 450 WATT Power Supply SLI Certified, Crossfire upgrade with QUAD PCI-Express output and Active PFC… 

450W +  460W typical Dell base unit is 910W.  300W per card would be 600 + 460W = 1060W

Also Keep in mind that Dell has 150W on the 3.3v/5v rails and 20W on the +5VSB rails. The Area 51 that allows 2 or 3 video cards has a 1500W power supply.

The single card units come with 850W power supply.

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June 19th, 2017 08:00

Did you buy the Aurora R6?  That's what I had (sending it back).

Your Crucial MX300 is a SATA drive, so it may work just fine.  But if you chose an NVMe drive, it may not be fully supported.  Here is my experience for anyone else considering an M.2 drive with the Aurora R6:

The M.2 slot and the PCIe slots SHARE the PCIe lanes.  So if you install an M.2 NVMe SSD, the graphics slot will only run at PCIe 3.0 x8.  There shouldn't be a big performance hit with that though.  See this article for confirmation of that statement.  Their motherboard is restricted to running with PCIe 3.0 x8/x8 with SLI.  See the system documentation for confirmation of this.

With that in mind, I don't know if using the M.2 slot AND two graphics cards in SLI will only give the second graphics card 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes.  There will for sure be an impact if that is the case.  Dell doesn't release block diagrams of their motherboards, so the only way to know how it is laid out is to try it.

Also, watch out on M.2 NVMe compatibility.  They don't support many drives - I was trying the Samsung 960 EVO.  This was a big big let down for me.  There aren't even any settings in the BIOS relating to the M.2 slot or NVMe, but for some reason the SATA mode settings affect it.  If you have it set to AHCI mode, the system might not see the M.2 drive.  If you have it set to RAID mode, it may see the drive, but the manufacturer's drivers may not be able to see it.  This is bizarre behavior.  I could not directly install Windows 10 onto the NVMe SSD.  When I cloned Windows 10 on to the Samsung 960 EVO, I could get it to boot, but it crashed many times per hour.  Also, neither the Samsung drivers or the Samsung Magician software can even see the SSD.

The Samsung engineers say they support the full NMVe protocol and any motherboard that supports the full protocol should not have these problems.  The Dell engineers admitted that they only support a few M.2 NVMe SSD drives.  Here is the list of supported drive they gave me:

  • Hynix PC300 series
  • Samsung PM951 series
  • Samsung PM961 series
  • LiteOn CX2A series
  • Toshiba XG4 series
  • LiteOn CV5 series
  • Sandisk A400 series

I have spent hours on the phone in the last couple weeks with the Dell engineers dealing with M.2 NVMe incompatibilities.  Ultimately, I am sending the Aurora R6 back.

I hope you have better luck.

June 19th, 2017 09:00

Hi again.

i thought i made a Mistake and checked again. the Entry in the Database for the Asus Dual GTX 1070 says 1 x 8 Pin, 150W Average Power Usage. that's what i wrote.

but i get how you came to that Conclusion. your Math is based on RAW Data. i don't do that personally. for example, i don't think the Gaming X is using all 300W. Edit: the 460W Figure for the Base Model can't be right except the GPU is already included....

about the RAM: i have Area 51 previously equipped with HyperX, now Crucial Tactical.

June 19th, 2017 09:00

Hallo DellToby.

his Crucial MX300 M.2 SSD runs with SATA Protocol and not NVMe. 530 MB/s Read, 510 MB/s Write.

and you are probably right about the Lane Configuration.

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June 19th, 2017 11:00

There are issues with a 1000W and Greater power supply in that they use a C19 to NEMA 5-15 not a C13 to NEMA 5-15 power cord.

C19

C13

PCI-SIG the power increase for PCI Express 3.0 will come from secondary connectors and from the slot directly.  PCIe 3.0 max power capabilities: 75W from CEM + 225W from supplemental power connectors = 300W total 

PCIe 2.1 max power capabilities: 75W from CEM + 150W from supplemental power connectors = 225W total

Graphics Thermal SPEC  225W/150W/75W
Power  460W, optional 80 PLUS Bronze, 85% efficient,
supply.   This is why I said Power Supply should be updated.

1000W Imho is a better margin of safety than 850W.

Aurora R6 Setup and Specifications 

R6SPECS

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June 19th, 2017 12:00

Carbon Based Lifeform wrote:

i don't think the Gaming X is using all 300W.

MSI GTX-1070 Gaming-X (being 1-inch taller) fits fine in my (old / big) Aurora-R1, but not sure it's going to fit in Aurora-R6 due to Power-Supply cage bracket. See what you think after you get machine.
 
I've posted about this before, but no one has tried it or confirmed.
 
 

Only reason to even try it is because Gaming-X is pretty awesome and runs cool.

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June 19th, 2017 12:00

DellToby wrote:

1. But if you chose an NVMe drive, it may not be fully supported.  

 

2. The M.2 slot and the PCIe slots SHARE the PCIe lanes.

3. So if you install an M.2 NVMe SSD, the graphics slot will only run at PCIe 3.0 x8. 

4. Their motherboard is restricted to running with PCIe 3.0 x8/x8 with SLI.  

 

5. Also, watch out on M.2 NVMe compatibility.  They don't support many drives - I was trying the Samsung 960 EVO.  

 

1. PCIe/NVMe SSDs work fine.

 

2. It's like this on all machines because the industry-standard Interface to NVMe protocol in PCIe Interface

3. Nothing to do with NVMe-SSD.

4. Correct. See my June 19th post here. Not sure what happened to my pics, but basically the bandwidth of
PCIe x8-v3.0 = x16-v2.0 (which is a lot).

 

 https://community.dell.com/message/120058?commentID=120058#comment-120058 

5. All this is available if you search, but since you didn't find it before you posted, I consolidated it in your post here:

 

Support for M.2 NVMe (Samsung 960 EVO) in the Aurora R6? 

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June 19th, 2017 12:00

Crucial/Micron is good (I would even say my favorite, especially for Dell and Mac memory upgrades). Best for compatibility, especially if you order the exact right ones. 
 
Alienware's best pre-installed (and Over-Clockable) memory is OEM Kingston Hyper-X Fury.

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