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VDM Replication and CIFS
I have successfully replicated the VDM and its File System. Do I need to create CIFS servers on the destiniation Celerra?
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Rainer_EMC
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January 16th, 2009 06:00
servers up all the time in our DR site with the same names as our servers in the DC. Unless there is some
technical reason with the Celerra, I shouldnt see why we couldnt bring the VDM (Cifs) online R/W at the DR
site and keep the VDM (Cifs) online at the Corp. DC.
well, in that case that you're really sure your AD, DNS,... infrastructure isnt bothered about I think the easiest would be to
actually bring the DR CIFS servers online
Just just need to remount the VDM's and data file systems readonly and bring the VDMs to the correct state so that the CIFS server get start
I dont remember if a pause is enough - i.e. if it would allow remounting r/w
You might have to stop the replication.
In any case I would create manual checkpoints on the DR VDM and data file systems before any changes are done and revert (restore) them after your done with DR testing
I would try this with an extra VDM / fs / CIFS server first to iron out the exact sequence.
Also to make sure you end up in a state where you dont have to do a full copy again
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Unless you want to be able to access the readonly destination file systems without a failover.
In that case you would create a CIFS server on the physical data mover to access them.
Since in the normal case the destination VDM is readonly you wouldnt be able to create an extra CIFS server there or to start the replicated one
The way it works is that in case you want a failover you failover the VDM and its data file systems.
When you are failing over the VDM its CIFS servers get stopped, the destination VDM goes read/write and the replicated CIFS servers
are started there with exactly the same name, config, shares ...
Only difference being that they will use a different IP address - but they will be telling that to dynamic DNS, WINS and broadcast
DHoffman2
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January 14th, 2009 06:00
We are using our Celerra for DFS file shares.
We also do DR testing once a year and we want to provide the DFS shares during that test. This should also test our ability to fail over and use our offsite Celerra.
So, to clarify;
From our source site:
A VDM with 6 CIFS servers and 7 File systems.
I will replicate the VDM (which should include the CIFS servers?)
I will replicate the 7 file systems for that VDM.
During a planned DR test... we will pause replication between source and destination.
Once we have a physical seperation between source and DR site, we want to "promote" the destination Celerra to provide DFS resources for the persons performing their DR testing.
Once testing is done, we need to revert back to a Source -> Destination replication.
SHHWWOO...
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January 14th, 2009 14:00
Synchronized failover does the following:
i) Takes the source site to a read-only state.
ii) Takes the last of the change data and sends it across the network to the destination site.
iii) Replays those final changes before bringing the destination site to a read/write state.
Synchronized failover results in no data loss, but takes longer to invoke and cannot be performed if the source site is unavailable. It is more suited to a maintenance related failover as part of a failover plan, as both sides must be available to perform synchronized failover.
If you have not already gone through this, I 'll highly recommend to refer the following technical document available on Powerlink or the Documentation CD -
"Replicating Celerra CIFS Environments"
My 2 cents - after a prolonged silence
Regards,
Sandip
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January 15th, 2009 04:00
also test our ability to fail over and use our offsite Celerra.
Sounds good.
If you are ok with a DR test that will make the source Celera readonly and start the CIFS server on the offsite Celerra than there isnt much you have to do.
Just failover
Of course before you should check if your environment is ok, i.e.
- checking that the offsite Celerra has working DNS, NTP, time ... config so it can reach your domain controllers
- interface names need to be same for the interfaces your CIFS servers are using
- see how your clients do name resolution - if you dont allow dynDNS you probably have to change your DNS manually
yes, IF you created them on the VDM and not on the physical data mover - check with server_cifs
fine
no need - just failover or switchover like the manual explains
to provide DFS resources for the persons performing their DR testing.
fine - of course your "primary" Celerra wont be serving CIFS at that time
It would be difficult to do otherwise, since you cant have two CIFS server running with the same name
DHoffman2
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January 15th, 2009 05:00
provide the DFS shares during that test. This
should
offsite Celerra.
Sounds good.
source Celera readonly and start the CIFS server on
the offsite Celerra than there isnt much you have to
do.
Just failover
Well, we physically seperate our network connections between our DC and our DR site. We bring servers up all the time in our DR site with the same names as our servers in the DC. Unless there is some technical reason with the Celerra, I shouldnt see why we couldnt bring the VDM (Cifs) online R/W at the DR site and keep the VDM (Cifs) online at the Corp. DC.
Of course before you should check if your environment
is ok, i.e.
- checking that the offsite Celerra has working DNS,
NTP, time ... config so it can reach your domain
controllers
- interface names need to be same for the interfaces
your CIFS servers are using
- see how your clients do name resolution - if you
dont allow dynDNS you probably have to change your
DNS manually
We will have to build that into our process, but that has been discusses.
CIFS servers?)
yes, IF you created them on the VDM and not on the
physical data mover - check with server_cifs
Yes, the CIFS were created within the VDM. Or the VDM owns these CIFS, whatever the correct terminlogy would be.
fine
replication between source and destination.
no need - just failover or switchover like the manual
explains
Since we will be doing a controlled stop and start, CAN we simply pause replication or use some other method?
and DR site, we want to "promote" the destination
Celerra
their DR testing.
serving CIFS at that time
It would be difficult to do otherwise, since you cant
have two CIFS server running with the same name
See my notes above about having duplicate names up and running.
DHoffman2
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January 15th, 2009 13:00
Can you "failover" a single VDM or is it all or nothing?
For example, I want to create a "bogus" VDM, CIFS and shares, replicate them and then test bringing that VDM up and testing access to those resources.
The bogus VDM and CIFS have their own network interface but share the same network devices. (FSN0 consisting of cge0 and cge1 with cge3 as the failsafe network).
cge2 is dedicated to our another environment.
Thanks guys, you all have been really helpful.
Peter_EMC
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January 16th, 2009 00:00
It will failover using the configured network name. Not the physical device of the source side. So it is depending on the configuration, f.e. it can use a FSN on the source datamover and a single network device on destination datamover
DHoffman2
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January 16th, 2009 06:00
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Rainer_EMC
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January 16th, 2009 07:00
They just arent started since the VDM state is only mounted but not loaded
when you set its state to loaded (requires rw VDM root) they will just start
(see the VDM manual for details)
just try it with an extra test VDM/CIFS - it wont harm your other ones
If you want to peek at your data its perfectly fine to create an extra CIFS server at the physical data mover level on the DR side.
I'm not sure if you can "browse" the VDM owned file systems to create shares in Celerra Manager, but if you use there real
paths like /root_vdm_X/data then you can also create share - or just use the C$ share
Of course these will be readonly as long as the underlying data file system is readonly
DHoffman2
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January 22nd, 2009 05:00
The destination basically came online and the source became R/O and unloaded.
Now, How in the world to I put it back to its original form?
DHoffman2
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January 22nd, 2009 06:00
Note:
The source VDM is Unloaded.
Destination is "OK"
I have set the FS on the destination as R/O and R/W on the source.
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January 22nd, 2009 06:00
change your DR VDM state back to mounted
then change the original VDM state from mounted to loaded
(unless you did changes to the CIFS server that you want to sync back - then you first should fs_copy the VDM rootfs back)
DHoffman2
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January 22nd, 2009 07:00
I'll have to test this a few more times to create our own internal procedures, but overall this was VERY helpful.
Thanks again!!
pittperson
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February 10th, 2009 17:00
Would you be willing to share your DR test procedure/process? I'm in the same boat and it seems like you've run through the gauntlet already.
Chris